Showing Up

The ShowIng Up podcast by a couple guys who think life is a spiritual journey full of beauty, suffering, peaks, and depth (often called valleys). At times or all at once it can be terrifying, exhilarating or ordinary. Sometimes we get very lost other times we feel found. So what do you do? How do you engage life without a clear roadmap? We think showing up and risking the journey is the highest calling. The alternatives seem unacceptable.
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Apr 11, 2020

Rebekah LaRobardiere, Sex Coach, joins Kirk and Jer for a pointed conversation about sex. We don't talk much about this mildly taboo topic so enjoy the awkwardness. We certainly did. 

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Mar 27, 2020

Kirk and Jer are back with the start of Season 3. They are joined by Jack Burgess for a conversation on Kevin Kelly's book The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future. They the introduction and chapter 2 for this episode in which Kelley provides his perspective on the impact of artificial intelligence on the way humans work. In fact he goes so far as to suggest that we need robots to take over so that we can discover what it means to be human. 


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Jan 30, 2020

If you felt like Stephen Campbell was standing on a edge of a significant change in his life and work while listening to episode 31 you were correct. So we caught up with him again to find out what happens when you are the pastor of an Evangelical church and the Evangelical box becomes too small. 

May 22, 2019

Stephen Campbell has been raised, educated and worked in the Evangelical tradition his whole life. He is the Pastor of Redding First Church where he has served for the last 18 years. Along the way, an explosion took place while completing his doctoral work a few years ago. Since then his spiritual journey has taken him outside the box of evangelicalism. So where does that leave a pastor and how does he help lead a congregation when the box doesn't contain his journey any longer?

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Jan 16, 2019

Miracles, what the heck? Are they real? Have you experienced one? Jer and Kirk ask the questions do you believe in miracles, what are they and what are they for? If so, when was the last time you experienced one? Even the Western Church doesn't agree on the answer to these questions let's find out if Jer and Kirk do.

Dec 30, 2018

New Year's resolutions... Blahhh. Who really cares. In this episode, Jer and Kirk go a bit deeper and admit what keeps them from accomplishing their goals. Maybe this is the year for a breakthrough. Maybe not, but It's worthwhile taking a look at the obstacles that stand in our way (at least the ones we know about).

Dec 11, 2018

Jer and Kirk respond to a new series by The Liturgist Podcast called Christian where Mike Gungor and Science Mike ask the question, "Are you a Christian?" This has been an important question for Jer and Kirk and marked the beginning of their relationship and the start of the Showing Up podcast. It felt like time to return to it and see where the guys are and what question they are asking now. So... Are you a Christian?

Nov 1, 2018

Jer and Kirk took some time apart. It wasn't planned. Jer was traveling a lot and Kirk has been incredibly busy. But, they did need the time to discover where they were on this podcast journey and what they wanted it to become. It turns out that while doing a podcast for nearly two years they were growing apart. Maybe? Or were they just growing. So they turned the mics on themselves to see why Jer and Kirk were having trouble showing up. Ironic right? Well, let's see where this goes. 

Sep 4, 2018

Jer and Kirk are joined by life coach Jay Franson to explore Empathy and its impact on relationships. Jay's personal empathy drives his coaching as he works to build relational strength in his clients. They discuss drama triangles, building connection, seeing reality and much more. 


May 29, 2018

Jer and Kirk explore the art of relationships. They play with the idea that the essence of relationships is to be with yourself, others, higher power and the created order.  Nearly any activity can either foster or fracture your with-ness so how do you learn to be with rather than apart. Jer has lots to say about this subject in particular from his work traveling the world presenting the Single Life Workshop to thousands of people over the last years. It is from this perspective that he is launching his Relational Coaching practice. You can learn more at

Apr 25, 2018

Jer and Kirk are joined by Sam LaRobardiere to discuss Entrepreneurship. Sam is the co-founder of Theory Collaborative, a coffee roasting and distribution company in Redding California. Sam and his partners have recently opened Theory Cafe which has been a long term dream. While this is only the beginning of what they have planned, it is a major milestone in their entrepreneurial journey. 

Sam reflects on what it takes to get any enterprise started. The courage, the struggle, the myths and the wins that keep you going. 

We hope that in listening to Sam's story you come to realize that you can start your thing... you just have to get the cart in front of the horse and then let the horse catch up, over and over and over and over. 

Mar 23, 2018

In this episode, Jeremy throws a curve ball at Kirk by asking how he shows up in politics; a question Kirk would rather avoid. Turns out young Kirk was pretty involved in politics and even considered it as a career. He volunteered with his counties Republican central committee, interned in a Republican congressional office and was endorsed to run in a city council race. But after losing his taste for the right side of the aisle where is he now? Why doesn't he want to show up in politics? Where did his political drive go? And, what does it mean to show up in politics today?  

Here is a list of what Kirk has learned and his guidelines for showing up in Politics:

  1. Cultures are changing fast.
  2. So listen well.
  3. Ask great questions.
  4. Avoid going to war. Peace is being able to sit with an enemy. War is seeking to eliminate (or dominate) an enemy.
  5. Try to find fundamentals and foundations where ever possible.
  6. Move closer to each other, it gets easier (not easy) to love the closer you get.


Mar 5, 2018

Jer, Kirk and Jack revisit their conversation on non-dualistic thinking (episode 18) with a focus on the problem of good and evil. A problem that exposes the depth of the concept they are wrestling with, and why they are truly out of their depth. It is their hope that this wresting enhances your journey into non-dualistic thinking. 

Jer opens with a statement he wrote which becomes the jumping off point: Here is a transcript:

"As I delve deeper into the concept of non-dualistic thinking, I find myself conflicted. 

The problem I have with non-dualistic thinking-not the problem with non-dualistic thinking- is that it doesn’t sit neatly or tidily with my desire for certainty.  And, I have trouble differentiating between healthy discernment and what is a hollow morality, or vagueness, apathy or passivity. There are certain things in the bible that seem is written multiple times as a conditionality that if one loves God he must hate evil.  Good and evil are is an awkward dissonance to me when looked at through the lens of non-dualistic thinking.  Where does discernment come into play? Where does righteousness, truth or morality fit into non-dualistic thinking?  Or more poignantly, what are their values within non-dualistic thinking? 

I believe Jesus was primarily a non-dualistic thinker, while at the same time he was called The Truth. This implies that from Him could come no falsehood, or confusion, or misgivings. He frequently confronted others with a proposed higher or better way to live.  If there was no better or higher, and all that existed was simple different, then any style of living belongs or is morally equivalent and  he would wasted his breath and His life. 

The very notion of non-dualistic thinking seems to me a self defeating abstraction. If there is no ‘either or’ only ‘both and’, then dualistic thinking is no more relevant or beneficial than non-dualistic thinking and should be encouraged similarly. Unless it is a subjective posture, then, as most things it is more pertinent when beneficial.  My difficulty with this concept lies in the tension or balance between living a life that is morally upright and following in the way of Truth or Jesus, while also not putting myself in the judgement seat, which also biblically has clear ramifications."

~ Jeremy Byrne 

Feb 22, 2018

In this episode the amazing Jeremy Byrne shares his story of breaking up with God ... his I quit moment ... and how it impacted his life, faith and relationships. 

Jan 22, 2018

What does dating look like when you find yourself single in the your 30's (or late 20's). Kirk brings a question to the guys that many of his female friends have been asking: Where are all the men? 

Turns out the men are asking a similar question.

This episode focuses on the difference between dating as young adults and dating later in life. What do you do when you're looking for partnership and it seems like all the good ones are taken. Why are people waiting longer to form life long bonds? Is the romantic connection what we think it is or is falling in love an illusion. Do you really know what you want in a partner and do you really have a choice? 

Basically, what does showing up in dating look like?

Once again it is unclear if these questions get answered but we hope the exploration helps you find the love of your life (if you haven't yet).

Dec 5, 2017

How do you tell the differences between authentic faith and cultural expression of it (fads)? Why does my faith look different than my parents? Are my parents correct? What is the future of faith? In this episode Jer leads a subject centered conversation about the nature of fads within faith communities. 

Nov 8, 2017

Jer and Kirk are joined by Justin Byrne (from episode 6) and Jack Burgess (from episode 12) to explore their experiences with non-dualistic thinking. They work through what it is, how they began to be impacted by it and why it matters. The conversation hits spiritual, relationship and political subjects and they try to understand the nature and value of either/or (dualistic) with both/and (non-dualistic) thinking. 

If you want to explore this subject further check out these links to some of the resources they talk about in this episode. 

Robcast: Episode 86: Richard Rohr and the Alternative Orthodoxy

The Liturgist Podcast: The Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr. 

On Being: Living in Deep Time with Richard Rohr

Center for Action and Contemplation Daily Meditation on Non-Dualistic Thinking

You can also go to our resource page to find other books you may find helpful at

Jul 17, 2017

Jer and Kirk respond to questions from the audience. Listen along as our two courageous host figure out what to do with questions like: 


  1. How is showing up an expression of being versus doing?
  2. Can you define the fruit of showing up?
  3. How do you ask good questions?
  4. Are all the listeners invited to Jer and Britts Wedding?

Feel free to engage with your own questions at

Jul 9, 2017

Joshua and Rebekah Johnson would like you to be their neighbor. So they created a neighborhood "with the aim to reintroduce human connections at the center of its design and culture. Whether it's the large front porches, common house for periodic shared dinners and gatherings, the community pool for hot summer days, or small agriculture and trails for enjoying the land, Shiloh Park is an ideal place to live among friends, raise your children, or retire in place."*  Jer and Kirk catch up with them just as their breaking ground for a rich conversation on physical and virtual neighboring and how to show up in your community. 

Jun 5, 2017

Jer and Kirk are joined by Barry and Lori Byrne (yep Jer’s parents) co-founders of Nothing Hidden Ministries where they help individuals and couples build better relationships. Today we are talking about marriage. Barry and Lori travel world wide presenting the Love After Marriage workshop creating a powerful space for couples to show up in their marriages.

Relationship are one of the most important places to learn to show up as the best version of yourself. Connection is key to this process. We are excited to have connection experts for this episode share their journey and tools to help you show up in your marriages.

For a bit of context Kirk has been married for 22 years and Jer is recently engaged. 

May 29, 2017

Jer and Kirk are joined by Gabe Watkins, Co-founder of Kingdom Industry where human identity is expressed through architecture + digital design. Game and his co-founder Eric believe identity is the natural glue that allows them to combine digital and physical design to create extraordinary outcomes for clients. 

May 3, 2017

Jer and Kirk are joined by Nate Brown, CTO of Escape Velocity Systems, a Boulder Colorado based tech company. Nate shares his journey finding his voice as an entrepreneur and how he is leveraging that experience in his new endeavor Start Here TV. Nate and his partners have been inviting entrepreneurs to their Monday Morning Meeting where startups are given a chance to pitch their ideas and receive advise, encouragement or funding. After 8 years they are working with film maker Jonny Clark to capture the entrepreneurial journey in a new web based TV show called Start Here.

Apr 24, 2017

In this episode Jer and Kirk are joined by artist, creator, thinker and visual facilitator Jack Burgess. They discuss Jack's journey from art school to the Earnst & Young's Accelerated Solution Environment in Cambridge, MA. Here Jack was paid to "draw on the walls." He also developed the business acumen to become a graphic and visual facilitator for business' looking for simple solutions to complex problems. Listen as Jack learns to cut through the noise of conversation to find the high value nuggets with clients and in his own life.

Mar 19, 2017

In this episode Jer and Kirk reflect on the stories told during the spiritual journey series. They share how listening to the diversity found in these experiences effected them. They ponder questions like: What does it mean to experience conversion? Are their good journeys and bad journeys? How do you hold other people's experiences? Are there benefit or possible harm in sharing journeys like these?

Jer and I (Kirk)  hope you enjoy these reflections and invite you to reflect with us. It would be amazing if you would add your thoughts and comments to ours as we consider what it means to be on spiritual journeys together. 

You can leave comments at or on the Showing Up FaceBook page. 

Mar 7, 2017

Wali Razaqi’s spiritual journey has taken him around the world. Born in Afghanistan, raised in Santa Cruz, he completed a pilgrimage to Mecca, played a championship football game… twice, started a film production company and now attends the same church Ronald Regan did (Bel Air Presbyterian).

Join Jer and Kirk as they get a glimpse of the unfolding spiritual journey of Wali Razaqi while they ask the question “Where’s Wali?

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